On July 09, 2005 2:02 PM,  Devil's Kitchen said...

Ah, yes; you are referring to the lunatic known as David Copeland and his nailbomb campaign, culminating in the three deaths at the Admiral Duncan pub.

I would suggest, given the timings involved, that it is unlikely that it was just one person. Although, of course, the area in which the bombs went off might back up a racist attack.

It is possible, I suppose, that it was an IRA splinter group, although we don't seem to have heard much from them in recent years. The IRA aren't terribly interested in Nationalism anymore; Eire is pretty well-off and they're unwilling to share the booty with the Northerners. As an Irish friend of mine put it recently, "the paramilitaries are only interested in gun-running and drug-dealing". Plus, they would probably have claimed responsibility by now.

You're right to say that we should hold our horses, but I think that the chances are pretty high that it was Radical Islamists who were responsible.  

On July 09, 2005 2:57 PM,  irritant said...

CY's views on this are similar to my own. In saying that I came across this earlier today via Brenda Stardom:-
"UK Spy (Glen Jenvey) Identifies Groups and People Behind London Bombings...(more)."

I have no idea how kosher this item is so a degree of constructive skepticism may be useful.  

On July 09, 2005 3:55 PM,  Larry Teabag said...

The same thing had occured to me - but wouldn't you expect whoever it was to claim responsibility for it? As yet, as far as I'm aware, the only people do have done so are AQ-related  

On July 09, 2005 6:48 PM,  Justin said...

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On July 09, 2005 6:50 PM,  Justin said...

I was living in London when David Copeland was answering to his higher calling and I remember all kinds of theories circulating before the lone psycho was caught.

My point is that you don't have to be a Gerry Conlon or a Richard Jewell to know that we've got this kind of thing wrong before.

I agree that all the signs point to an al-Qaeda-related attack but I just think we should wait until the results come in before rounding up the posse.  

On July 09, 2005 11:35 PM,  Postman said...

"but I think that the chances are pretty high that it was Radical Islamists who were responsible."

Would that be the Radical Islamists of Foggy Bottom, Langley or Vauxhall, London ?  

On July 10, 2005 1:28 AM,  Anonymous said...

Al Qaeda took public credit right after the bombing in a public statement!

Hello. Madrid train bombing. London train bombing. Same MO. Only a cretin is still speculating on who did it.

It sure wasn't the Samoan Liberation Front.  

On July 10, 2005 7:37 AM,  Justin said...

Anonymous, have the police confirmed it was Al Qaeda? Two groups have claimed responsibility - was it both groups? There are a number of groups who have form for claiming bombings when they had nothing to do with them. As for the Madrid MO - there are a number stark differences. This is all speculation by the media who have very few facts to go on but many, many newspapers to sell.

Also, Anonymous have the balls to use your real name before calling people cretins. Dickhead.  

On July 11, 2005 12:49 AM,  Devil's Kitchen said...

PostmansKnock said...
"but I think that the chances are pretty high that it was Radical Islamists who were responsible."
Would that be the Radical Islamists of Foggy Bottom, Langley or Vauxhall, London ?

What point are you trying to make?

Go and read my link to Harry's Place, then come back with an intelligent–and intelligible–comment.

London's streets are, as we see from the Edinburgh exodus every year, still paved with gold; ergo London is the first place that anyone goes to. The fact that they were plotting to bomb the place should not surprise us.

There are so many people calling in sites, statements and opinions around this interweb, that I can't believe that you don't know these things. Read my link, understand it, and think about it. Or go read my blog.  

On July 11, 2005 12:52 AM,  Devil's Kitchen said...

P.S. Justin, could you posta link to the second group to claim responsibility, please? I haven't seen it. Are they both Islamist, by the way?  

On July 11, 2005 8:00 AM,  Justin said...

DK: It's now three groups apparently:

Three groups invoking al-Qaeda's name have claimed responsibility for the attacks, though analysts are sceptical. The third claim appeared on a website yesterday, signed by the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, named after an aide of bin Laden who was killed in a US air strike in Afghanistan in November 2001.  

On July 11, 2005 8:03 AM,  Justin said...

More here:

1) The Secret Organisation of al-Qaida in Europe
2) Jihad in the Arabian Peninsula
3) Abu Hafs al-Masri brigades  

On July 11, 2005 2:06 PM,  Devil's Kitchen said...

Justin, thanks for those.

BTW, apologies if my comments were slightly belligerent last night: I was somewhat the worse for drink.

Also, thank you for linking to me: my first link-in gave a stupid amount of pleasure (especially as it was from a writer that I respect)!  

On July 12, 2005 10:39 AM,  Justin said...

BTW, apologies if my comments were slightly belligerent last night: I was somewhat the worse for drink.

Think nothing of it - I couldn't tell.

I had to make my first personal rule of blogging "no commenting after booze" - it was a lesson learned the hard way.  

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